tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5010170380967519230.post5318678973288427669..comments2024-03-23T20:37:37.891-07:00Comments on First Known When Lost: Life Explained, Part Eighteen: "An Aimless Unallayed Desire"Stephen Pentzhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14882220887712092005noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5010170380967519230.post-7817520712242722882011-07-12T22:44:27.765-07:002011-07-12T22:44:27.765-07:00zmkc: you raise a very interesting question. I ha...zmkc: you raise a very interesting question. I had thought to mention in my post (but didn't) that Arnold never reprinted "Destiny" in any of the subsequent "collected" editions of his poetry. My conclusion was the same as yours: that he did not wish to preserve the poems. Perhaps he thought that they were too "personal" or too "pessimistic" (my quotes). They do tend to conflict a bit with his "sweetness and light" approach to art and culture in his later years.<br /><br />As always, thank you for visiting, zmkc.Stephen Pentzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14882220887712092005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5010170380967519230.post-42783520721486804302011-07-12T22:26:27.463-07:002011-07-12T22:26:27.463-07:00Shelley: thank you for visiting and commenting aga...Shelley: thank you for visiting and commenting again -- your point is a good one, and Dickinson fits well.Stephen Pentzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14882220887712092005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5010170380967519230.post-89266309256014903912011-07-12T21:56:15.340-07:002011-07-12T21:56:15.340-07:00Does anyone know why the second poem was never inc...Does anyone know why the second poem was never included in his lifetime again? Did he, like Auden, suppress poems he regretted?zmkchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08972549292961948240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5010170380967519230.post-28991303917008759682011-07-11T15:43:51.920-07:002011-07-11T15:43:51.920-07:00Yes, with certain writers--Matthew Arnold and Emil...Yes, with certain writers--Matthew Arnold and Emily Dickinson being two of them--they once in a while break out in almost a science-fiction way, piercing the membrane of their time, and seem more at home in ours.Shelleyhttp://dustbowlpoetry.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5010170380967519230.post-58985861615473652582011-07-11T14:08:23.194-07:002011-07-11T14:08:23.194-07:00Mr. Lull: Thank you very much for visiting again, ...Mr. Lull: Thank you very much for visiting again, and for the links to Chesterton's wonderful observations on Arnold and the Watts portrait. Chesterton's comments are marvelously acute! I must admit that my view of Arnold changed (for the better) when I first came across the Watts portrait in 1997 on the cover of the American edition of Nicholas Murray's A Life of Matthew Arnold. Up till then, I had only seen photographs of Arnold. None of them captures anything close to the character that comes through in the Watts portrait. Even though Chesterton asserts that Watts may not have "understood" Arnold, and may have been "bewildered," he nonetheless captured something essential about Arnold.<br /><br />Again, thank you very much!Stephen Pentzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14882220887712092005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5010170380967519230.post-15808888344966481442011-07-11T13:50:08.463-07:002011-07-11T13:50:08.463-07:00Fred: Yes, that's the line that reminded me of...Fred: Yes, that's the line that reminded me of Hardy as well. It is reminiscent of Hardy's "purblind Doomsters," isn't it? As for Freud: if perchance he did read Arnold, I'm not sure that Arnold would approve of the results! (Just guessing.)<br /><br />Thank you for stopping in again.Stephen Pentzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14882220887712092005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5010170380967519230.post-21642654704801457112011-07-11T08:27:38.359-07:002011-07-11T08:27:38.359-07:00In a review of a new biography of G.K. Chesterton ...In a review of a new biography of G.K. Chesterton the reviewer writes:<br /><br /><em>Ker highlights the magnanimity of Chesterton. Again, like Newman, he looked for what was good in those he criticized-- even those, like Matthew Arnold, who never shared his religious convictions. In his biography of the painter G.F. Watts, for example, Chesterton had occasion to praise Watts's great portrait of Arnold, about which he said:<br /><br />["]The portrait-painter of Matthew Arnold obviously ought not to understand him, since he did not understand himself. And the bewilderment which the artist felt for those few hours, reproduced in a perfect, almost an immortal picture, the bewilderment which the sitter felt from the cradle to the grave.["]<br /><br />Most critics would have left matters at that, but how typical of Chesterton to add that "the bewilderment of Matthew Arnold was more noble and faithful than most men's certainty."</em>[*]<br /><br /><a href="http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/seeker-truth_574834.html?nopager=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/seeker-truth_574834.html?nopager=1</a><br /><br />======<br />*<a href="http://tinyurl.com/5vv3vy3" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/5vv3vy3</a>Dave Lullhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01053227199985293516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5010170380967519230.post-30624562996900232412011-07-11T07:36:05.704-07:002011-07-11T07:36:05.704-07:00Stephen,
Yes, that does the flavor of Hardy, espe...Stephen,<br /><br />Yes, that does the flavor of Hardy, especially this line:<br /><br />"Ask of the Powers that sport with man!"<br /><br />As for the untitled poem--I wonder if Freud had read it.Fredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10233846613173866140noreply@blogger.com