tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5010170380967519230.post8182705703660411956..comments2024-03-23T20:37:37.891-07:00Comments on First Known When Lost: A Lost World, Part Two: "All Events Had Much Sharper Outlines Than Now"Stephen Pentzhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14882220887712092005noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5010170380967519230.post-69449800151106854862011-03-08T17:54:29.987-08:002011-03-08T17:54:29.987-08:00PAL: I cannot read Dutch, so I wonder how much I ...PAL: I cannot read Dutch, so I wonder how much I am missing in translation. But his combination of illuminating detail and, as you say, "perception" is wonderful, even in translation. I have not, unfortunately, read "Homo Ludens" -- on the "to do" list!<br /><br />As ever, thank you very much for stopping in!Stephen Pentzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14882220887712092005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5010170380967519230.post-82840238005887110812011-03-08T17:46:10.346-08:002011-03-08T17:46:10.346-08:00From My Easy Chair: thank you for your comment (in...From My Easy Chair: thank you for your comment (in response to my response), but I was only making a stab in the dark -- Huizinga is quite thought-provoking, and I cannot say that I have myself resolved the points that you raise. Thanks again.Stephen Pentzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14882220887712092005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5010170380967519230.post-160713717195954152011-03-08T17:40:02.305-08:002011-03-08T17:40:02.305-08:00Shelley: thank you for visiting and commenting aga...Shelley: thank you for visiting and commenting again.<br /><br />As to your comment about the cause of "the general blurring" in modern life: hmmm . . . this is not a political blog, so I will only say that I, personally, would not lay our modern predicament at the door-step of "Multi-National Corporations." (Whatever they are.) After all, I suppose that Google qualifies as a "Multi-National Corporation", and look what we're doing! <br /><br />But, then, I am quite fond of Adam Smith, so you are probably talking to the wrong person.Stephen Pentzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14882220887712092005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5010170380967519230.post-22208447903091678752011-03-08T10:57:45.728-08:002011-03-08T10:57:45.728-08:00Mr P: I know the passage almost by heart, and stil...Mr P: I know the passage almost by heart, and still have the battered Pelican paperback in which I first read it as a teenager. It gave me my first real insight into the otherness of the past. Very few scholars - particularly historians - appear to have this kind of perception. I think it's what the great Ranke was talking about when he wrote that the task of historical writing is to present the past "as it essentially was".<br /><br />Huizinga had the most stimulating of minds. His Homo Ludens is a great book too.PALhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16213913134351463538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5010170380967519230.post-80049721512587754522011-03-08T08:48:27.159-08:002011-03-08T08:48:27.159-08:00Thank you. Now it makes more sense.Thank you. Now it makes more sense.From My Easy Chairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09997508927018221157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5010170380967519230.post-32722810027963481412011-03-08T08:28:08.768-08:002011-03-08T08:28:08.768-08:00That's an amazing point about all events in th...That's an amazing point about all events in the past having sharper outlines.<br /><br />In our time, the general blurring comes from the fact that the "elephant in the room" cannot be visualized: Multi-National Corporations.Shelleyhttp://dustbowlpoetry.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5010170380967519230.post-31997716913993549562011-03-07T23:41:48.894-08:002011-03-07T23:41:48.894-08:00From My Easy Chair: as always, thank you for visit...From My Easy Chair: as always, thank you for visiting, and for your comment. I cannot presume to speak for Huizinga, of course. But perhaps what he is getting at is that, in those days, people did not have access to the "knowledge" and "explanations" that we have access to today. Thus, being visited with sadness or calamity perhaps had more of an air of divine mystery and randomness than it does today. Just a guess, mind you.Stephen Pentzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14882220887712092005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5010170380967519230.post-34456134906488688322011-03-07T23:30:34.461-08:002011-03-07T23:30:34.461-08:00Thank you for stopping by again, pomposa. And tha...Thank you for stopping by again, pomposa. And thank you very much for the link! You are fortunate to have that in your neighborhood.Stephen Pentzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14882220887712092005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5010170380967519230.post-3332179830328252502011-03-07T09:16:46.917-08:002011-03-07T09:16:46.917-08:00I understand the idea of the difference between li...I understand the idea of the difference between light and dark and noise and quiet when comparing "then" to the modern city. However, it seems to me that the contrast between sickness and health is no different today since we still have incurable diseases. I don't understand the concept that the "distance" between sadness and joy and good and bad fortune was greater then. Don't we have more uncontrollable forces in our lives that we know could cause total destruction then they did "then"?From My Easy Chairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09997508927018221157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5010170380967519230.post-35162145124350186572011-03-07T05:39:57.927-08:002011-03-07T05:39:57.927-08:00Here in Burgundy (in Beaune - best known for its w...Here in Burgundy (in Beaune - best known for its wine trade) is a stunning polypytich by Van der Wedyen. Its portrayal of the Last Judgement illustrates very well what Huizinga was getting at.<br /><br />I hope this link works;<br />http://t3m.voila.net/doc_jugement_dernier.htmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com